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Silverhawk33
Joined: 07 May 2017
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 Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 6:50 am
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Why is it so hard for you guys to just call it Detective Conan instead of that Case Closed crap?
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SaiyamanMS
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 7:44 am
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| Silverhawk33 wrote: | | Why is it so hard for you guys to just call it Detective Conan instead of that Case Closed crap? |
For the same reason people refer to Pocket Monsters as Pokémon, it's the official English title.
Anyway, the new schedule is cool and all, but are we ever going to do anything about the 600-ish episode gap between where the Funimation release ends and the Crunchyroll simulcast began?
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peno
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 2:46 pm
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Unlike other anime titles, I don't know anyone, even in North America, who prefers Case Closed over Detective Conan, just like I don't know anyone who prefers US localized names for Conan's characters.
And, AFAIK, some older (e.g. bellow where Cruchyroll took over) episodes were already released on Hulu and Netfix, but not too much before 754 (though they most likely already disappeared from both services). However, I am afraid majority of this series will forever stay in grey zone of fansubbing, since it's too much to sub, with dubious incomes. Which is real shame, but there's not much to do with it.
Anyway, I am happy that Conan is finally getting real simulcast. The anime deserves that.
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SageModeKakarot
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 2:48 pm
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| Silverhawk33 wrote: | | Why is it so hard for you guys to just call it Detective Conan instead of that Case Closed crap? |
because outside of Japan they are not allowed to call it Detective Conan due to copyright issues so they called it Case Closed
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Lord Oink
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 3:06 pm
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| Silverhawk33 wrote: | | Why is it so hard for you guys to just call it Detective Conan instead of that Case Closed crap? |
Official releases are legally bound to use censored/localized names.
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peno
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 5:08 pm
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| SageModeKakarot wrote: | | because outside of Japan they are not allowed to call it Detective Conan due to copyright issues so they called it Case Closed |
Actually, no. Only in North America it's called Case Closed. Anywhere else (the localised version of) Detective Conan is used.
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SageModeKakarot
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 11:45 am
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| peno wrote: |
| SageModeKakarot wrote: | | because outside of Japan they are not allowed to call it Detective Conan due to copyright issues so they called it Case Closed |
Actually, no. Only in North America it's called Case Closed. Anywhere else (the localised version of) Detective Conan is used. |
well i live in the UK and it's called Case Closed here too and last time i checked that was outside of North America
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Silverhawk33
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 7:52 pm
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Wasn't expecting three replies, you think one or two would be enough >.>
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| SageModeKakarot wrote: | | because outside of Japan they are not allowed to call it Detective Conan due to copyright issues so they called it Case Closed |
Actually, no. Only in North America it's called Case Closed. Anywhere else (the localised version of) Detective Conan is used. |
Basically the truth. Everywhere else it's called Detective Conan or something close to it, except for the US and UK. But even so, it wasn't because of 'copyright issues', it was about 'legal considerations' which Funimation listed as a response for why they changed it back in 2004. People have speculated that it might be due to the DC Comics character Conan, which is absurd since it's kind of a common name and protecting this trademark would be nearly impossible.
I honestly think it's no longer an issue over here or more likely never was. I'd imagine Funimation were afraid of going to court (even though they would have won in any case.) Netflix in the US and UK both used the name Detective Conan when they streamed it last year, so that alone debunks that idea Lord Oink.
In regards to SaiyamanMS and SageModeKakarot, I was referring to why ANN calls it Case Closed when they've called it Detective Conan in their headlines in the past. Just doesn't make sense, as Peno said, it seems more people prefer the original name of the title and characters over the bastardize english names. Also bringing in the comparison of Pocket Monsters and Pokemon is silly since they basically mean the same thing.
In the end of the day, it's still incredible that this gem of an anime is simulcasted over here in general.
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zrnzle500
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 11:05 pm
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| Silverhawk33 wrote: | | I honestly think it's no longer an issue over here or more likely never was. I'd imagine Funimation were afraid of going to court (even though they would have won in any case.) Netflix in the US and UK both used the name Detective Conan when they streamed it last year, so that alone debunks that idea Lord Oink. |
As you can see here, Netflix does use Case Closed (While on the subject of Netflix, their collection goes back to 748, which comes to 6 episodes that were previously unlicensed). While I don't use it personally, I have no issue with companies and sites like this using Case Closed. If they used the localized character names, that is another story.
Anyways, I think they picked a good spot to do this. Having it earlier is great anytime but it is especially good when it comes on the second episode of a two parter like the last episode.
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Silverhawk33
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 11:39 pm
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| zrnzle500 wrote: |
| Silverhawk33 wrote: | | I honestly think it's no longer an issue over here or more likely never was. I'd imagine Funimation were afraid of going to court (even though they would have won in any case.) Netflix in the US and UK both used the name Detective Conan when they streamed it last year, so that alone debunks that idea Lord Oink. |
As you can see here, Netflix does use Case Closed (While on the subject of Netflix, their collection goes back to 748, which comes to 6 episodes that were previously unlicensed). |
You must have missed the part where I said last year (the spelling even showed past tense)... Yes, they did change it later on. But it doesn't hide the fact that it showed up and was streamed under the name Detective Conan for a while in the beginning. I'd imagine they changed it back for consistency's sake.
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zrnzle500
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 12:09 am
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^I thought you were saying that it was only streaming last year. If you said "...used the name last year when they first streamed it...", it would have been more clear.
Potential copyright issues are a legal consideration, so them using the latter doesn't mean it wasn't the former. Netflix originally using Detective Conan and switching to Case Closed doesn't necessarily mean there are no legal issues. They may have been informed by the relevant parties that they had to change the name or face legal action and quietly complied, especially given the other businesses in the market call it such. Now they may well have won such a case, but legal services aren't free. Netflix may have the money to cover that, but Funimation, especially 13 years ago, certainly didn't, and anyways I doubt companies would want to spend years fighting to get the name. I'd rather they use Detective Conan, but I don't need them to spend years and millions of dollars just to do that.
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Silverhawk33
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 12:43 am
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| zrnzle500 wrote: | | ^I thought you were saying that it was only streaming last year. If you said "...used the name last year when they first streamed it...", it would have been more clear.
Potential copyright issues are a legal consideration, so them using the latter doesn't mean it wasn't the former. Netflix originally using Detective Conan and switching to Case Closed doesn't necessarily mean there are no legal issues. They may have been informed by the relevant parties that they had to change the name or face legal action and quietly complied, especially given the other businesses in the market call it such. Now they may well have won such a case, but legal services aren't free. Netflix may have the money to cover that, but Funimation, especially 13 years ago, certainly didn't, and anyways I doubt companies would want to spend years fighting to get the name. I'd rather they use Detective Conan, but I don't need them to spend years and millions of dollars just to do that. |
Yes, the name Detective Conan was streamed last year, not sure how you didn't get this, especially since you knew the details yourself before replying. I'll make sure to spell things out more clearly for you in the future.
As for the rest of your writing, everything after the first sentence in the paragraph is just pure speculation and full of assumptions. Honestly, just seems like they didn't want to confuse fans from over here that grew up with the Case Closed name, dub and manga with the change in name, but it doesn't do anyone good to read that much into it.
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zrnzle500
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 12:57 am
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You're the one speculating. Funimation said they changed the name due to legal considerations and I haven't seen any reason to doubt that, regardless of whether they would have won had they taken it to court. CR has always used Cased Closed at least as far as referring to it as part of their catalog, and given the wide variety of countries they serve, Detective Conan would have been the more consistent choice if there were no real legal issue as you speculate. I'll leave it at that as we are veering off topic.
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Silverhawk33
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 2:20 am
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| zrnzle500 wrote: | | You're the one speculating. |
| zrnzle500 wrote: | | as you speculate. |
Oh, the irony. You really think all of what you said is true? It's wasted time to talk to someone who can't even tell the difference between actual facts and their own opinion.
| zrnzle500 wrote: | | CR has always used Cased Closed at least as far as referring to it as part of their catalog, and given the wide variety of countries they serve, Detective Conan would have been the more consistent choice if there were no real legal issue as you speculate. |
Never once did I mentioned how Crunchyroll used the Case Closed name for their catalog (only Netflix), but they are an American company after all. It's not strange for them to use the American name for the show. Given the wide variety of countries they serve? But Detective Conan is only available in the United States and Canada (surprise, the only two countries that call it by that name.) But hey, let's not worry about the small details.
| zrnzle500 wrote: | | I'll leave it at that as we are veering off topic. |
Good on you to notice that we're off topic, it just took you a few posts to realize.
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